and i think that nelson mandela, the person of nelson mandela used humility in his commitment to a really democratic south africa. that would be lost if we don't address that fundamental question about poverty. but i also want to say that nelson mandela as a leader, his humility has been such an example. and his ability to tolerate this viewpoints that are different from his. his ability to reach across the aisle. his ability to forgive others. i think is such an important lesson for us. an i think south africa really needs to take on board now the fact that he has died but the values that he stood for should not die with him. >> brown: and mzamo mangaliso, say question to you, the leadership that he had and where south africa is today. >> yeah, i think that south africa is fortunate in having had a person of nelson mandela set the, ample of leadership. he left us with a template of leadership, what a leader should be. aspenee just said, if someone who combines humility on one hand and a resolve, a very strong determination to follow through in some of the objectives and aims that he set